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Web-Links in Footer

Thomas Runge

Fri, 11 May 2018 23:38:06 +0200

Hello, !Hubzilla Support Forum !

Is it possible to create a global footer with (web) links for my complete Hub?

Or can I place links elsewhere in a way that they remain visible on any site within my hub?

#gdpr

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h.EAR.t

Sat, 12 May 2018 04:50:58 +0200

Jens (public)

Sat, 12 May 2018 10:10:28 +0200

You can put Html in the "Banner/Logo" in /admin/site/

found that to be good enough for now at my hub

Thomas Runge

Sat, 12 May 2018 11:00:17 +0200

Have a look at the plugin "Msg footer".

Are there any more detailed descriptions of plugins then in the plug in page? Because this sounds more like legal information in subscriptions of messages, but I need a permanently visible web link independent of messages, posts, etc. (because it has to be clear that it describes the whole domain, not only certain object in it).

You can put Html in the "Banner/Logo"

I guess this will be the choice for me, too. I guess we will get used to it very soon :)

Maybe, when I have some free time and do not know what to do I may have a look at the source code and try to implement an additional footer -- I think that would be a better place for links to the Impressum and data protection information.

cb7f604332cf39

Sat, 12 May 2018 11:48:42 +0200

Nope - msg footer creates in every message / comment.
Need the links to publish a "Impressum" and/or the ToS. Should be visible on all Websites of the server and not in Posts/comments.
Might have legal reasons due to GDPR.

Mike Macgirvin

Sat, 12 May 2018 12:40:52 +0200

There used to be a static page footer region and plugins to make use of it; but then we started doing endless scroll and we had to deprecate it. These aren't very compatible.

So help us find a solution.

Thomas Runge

Sat, 12 May 2018 12:55:08 +0200

The problem is that I am not really an experienced web developer... isn't it possible to have a frame for header and footer and the endless scrolling page within that frame?

Btw: I actually would like to get involved into Hubzilla development, but I can't give you a schedule for that. The preparation of setting up my hub needed a few months before it went online, and the most important short term goal at the moment is to address some legal questions, and then I want to set up an open hub and then I will try to get some more people into using Hubzilla, and then... maybe... one day...

Please don't count me in, yet ;/

cb7f604332cf39

Sat, 12 May 2018 13:21:13 +0200

Would it be an idea to place such links next the buglink (also an addon)?

Thomas Runge

Sat, 12 May 2018 13:42:40 +0200

That wouldn't be my favorite solution, because the links are then not visible at any time.

h.EAR.t

Sat, 12 May 2018 17:24:25 +0200

Thomas Runge

Sat, 12 May 2018 17:49:20 +0200

I am using a modified buglink plugin to link to a webpage "Impressum".

I would prefer the link on the right side and / or some solid background, but besides that this looks great!

Mario Vavti

Sat, 12 May 2018 20:44:30 +0200

You can have a look to the page header plugin.

Jens (public)

Fri, 18 May 2018 22:06:29 +0200 last edited: Sat, 19 May 2018 16:21:12 +0200

hi @Thomas Runge (and can I cross-post this to @Hubzilla Development, !Hubzilla Development ?)

I'm playing with the templates and have a prof-of-concept (modern browsers only, and no idea why javascript is written on the page at https://hub.ax9.eu/channel/jens???) method of a permanent footer at https://hub.ax9.eu/pubstream

In addition to the footer, I have changed some colors and added a webapp manifest so that on mobile devices you can "install" the hubzilla site as an icon on homescreen and it runs like an "app" (tried in Android Firefox)

It can be tested by installing like this and enabling the theme ax9clean in the hub administration /admin/themes/


util/add_theme_repo [zrl=https://github.com/ansorg/hubzilla-themes-ja.git]https://github.com/ansorg/hubzilla-themes-ja.git[/zrl] htja

@Mike Macgirvin

There used to be a static page footer region and plugins to make use of it; but then we started doing endless scroll and we had to deprecate it. These aren't very compatible.

I doubt it's the endless scrolling, but I have to fight heavily against bootstrap and bootstrap-induced html structure, weird css like "display: table-cell" and such.

What would I need to override in a theme to get cleaner HTML output that doesn't depend on bootstrap? Too much I'm afraid

Jens (public)

Sat, 19 May 2018 16:22:25 +0200

Ha, those nasty CODE blocks were breaking the layout! fix applied

Michael MD

Sun, 20 May 2018 10:56:04 +0200

I still find it way too javascript-heavy for phones

I still think theres still a need for a lightweight theme for phones

Even on a not-so-old phone that manages to render some of a Hubzilla page it still takes a very long time to do it - like minutes!
guessing a lot of phones don't have enough ram to do it without hardcore swapping.

in fact for phones I'd be wary of anything depending much on javascript

Don't forget they do still sell new very cheap $20 or so "dumb phones" in stores with browsers in them that probably aren't much different to the "up browser" on the flipphone I used more than a decade and a half ago.
(those probably can't even execute javascript and even css support might be poor if there at all!)

There are probably still more than a few people out there in the real world using phones like that too.

but also not surprised by the lask of such themes either given that it's so hard nowdays to do cross-browser testing

How do people test multiple versions of more recent browsers these days? - please don't say its ALL done in vm's !
(nearly always way too frustratingly slow to even start up! .. and nowdays that seems quite a lot worse than only a few years ago)

even for windows versions, in recent years increasingly a lot of them don't even work in wine!
(years ago most of them did - even some versions of IE worked in that!)

and emulating android? . .. 10 minutes or more to start a vm? .. gave up on that idea

Marshall Sutherland

Sun, 20 May 2018 17:40:37 +0200

It isn't free past the trial period, but I know the developers at work have used BrowserStack for cross-browser (including phone browsers) testing.

Thomas Runge

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:26:22 +0200

!Hubzilla Support Forum Has anybody thought about what the #GDPR means for us hub-operators?

Especially the #RightToErasure will be hard to fulfill in a decentralized server network, won't it? Is it enough for the user to be able to delete his channel or account?

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h.EAR.t

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:23:37 +0200 last edited: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:26:52 +0200

Thomas Runge

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:27:44 +0200

It's you who has got the power, nobody else.

Sure, since it is my server -- but what about "my" users? ;D

Suppose somebody asks me to be erased from my servers database. Would it be enough to tell him "just delete your account, the software does the rest?"

And what about federated posts? Will they be deleted, too, if the user decides to delete his or her account on another server?

Alexandre Hannud Abdo

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:53:13 +0200

Hubzilla/ZOT does federate deletions. However if your post circulated to networks that don't, we can't help you a lot. However I don't think right to erasure applies to information a server does not hold. If you asked your server to transmit that info to somebody else's, it becomes your problem with that other person's server if you want it deleted.

Thomas Runge

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 22:04:11 +0200

If you asked your server to transmit that info to somebody else's, it becomes your problem with that other person's server if you want it deleted.

Yeah... And what about federated posts in my server -- are they gonna be deleted, if the user deletes bis vor her account (in any protocol available)?

If not I need a possibility to erase the users post from my database, don't I?

Alexandre Hannud Abdo

Tue, 03 Apr 2018 22:45:26 +0200

ZOT has deletion. Other protocols might not have. In those cases of the user contacts you and proves you he is who he says he is, you might have to remove the posts from the database.

However, it's kind of a grey are when you talk about posts. Yoy may claim that it's your copy of a post you received, and as long it's not public it is your data as much as it's theirs. You can't ask me to delete all emails you sent me.

So perhaps instead of deleting you will simply make them not public. That's really grey area.

And, of course, for all I said, IANAL.