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Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:14:31 +0200

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｛Hans｝ wrote the following post Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:14:31 +0200

Character sets and mysql/mariadb

For the database of hubzilla the setting for tables are CHARSET=utf8mb4 COLLATE=utf8mb4_general_ci;

Due to some restrictions in other ages this limited the varchar fields to be used. People got stuck to a char(191) field where varchars might as well be used imho. I assume most people did have a newer / upgraded versions of MySQL or Mariadb. If not they should scratch the back of their hands since they have other problem.

So, either I am missing info or I am right. What is keeping us to simply using a script to simply see what the length of those fields are and adjusting them? There are 231 fields in Hubzilla using this.

I am will to write the script if nobody sees problems

Requested channel is not available

Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:41:25 +0200

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Scott M. Stolz wrote the following post Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:41:25 +0200

Requested channel is not available

I have a weird situation. I am getting the error "Requested channel is not available" when I am viewing a channel that is available... and I am looking at... and I am not sure why. Everything seems to work fine. I get the error no matter what theme I use.

You can see the error here: https://biztechtonics.net/channel/scott

Anyone know what is going on?

Version info: This site is powered by Hubzilla (pro) Version 8.6.2
https://biztechtonics.net/siteinfo

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Sat, 23 Sep 2023 17:34:36 +0200

_jayrope

jrp@hub.kliklak.net

I can confirm, i get the red popup in right corner, too.

Sat, 23 Sep 2023 20:45:19 +0200

｛Hans｝

hans@hubzilla.hopto.org

Is that a cloned channel?

Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:03:05 +0200

hosh

hosh@hub.vikshepa.com

@Scott M. Stolz Yes, I got that for Mike's new channel now; but it added the connection anyway. Could it be when adding a Streams channel from Hubzilla?

Sun, 24 Sep 2023 00:12:26 +0200

Ema エマ

emanuel@labonneheure.ch

I get the same error since the update

Sun, 24 Sep 2023 01:43:12 +0200

Grouchy

grouchy@hub.grouchysysadmin.com

> I get the same error since the update

8.6.3?

Sun, 24 Sep 2023 05:16:01 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

I have reported the issue here:

https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core/-/issues/1809

Sun, 24 Sep 2023 05:22:23 +0200

hosh

hosh@hub.vikshepa.com

@Scott M. Stolz sorry, I might be wrong about that - the message seems to pop up at various odd occasions.

Sun, 24 Sep 2023 05:44:51 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

The issue should be resolved for many of you. Please check your hubs.

Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:25:39 +0200 last edited: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:25:53 +0200

_jayrope

jrp@hub.kliklak.net

@Scott M. Stolz Scott, can you go a bit into details, what excatly the reason for this was on the side of the hosting company? Thank you in advance.

RSS resharing (again)

Thu, 21 Sep 2023 14:00:25 +0200

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Kristian wrote the following post Thu, 21 Sep 2023 14:00:22 +0200

RSS resharing (again)

Alls; think I asked this before (but didn't manage to find the post): Is there a for-dummies explanation of how to reshare posts coming from an RSS feed to my Hubzilla channel...? I worked my way to install the channel sources app, add an rss feed to what seems my main channel and saved this. Little config option, no effect. Am I "just" doing it wrong, or did I miss something essential here...?

Sat, 23 Sep 2023 01:54:41 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

I usually set up RSS feeds on their own channel. I did not know you can add it to an existing channel.

Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:43:38 +0200

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｛Hans｝ wrote the following post Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:43:38 +0200

I have a weird question:

Sometimes I want to delete a discussion in the public feed, so only on my hub. Sure, on a multi-user one I would not, but let's assume I have my reasons.

Since I can delete it by deleting the top post, it looks like the rest is gone too (all the comments ). But is this true? Or will they stay active as a dead horse, since messages to the post will never arrive?

Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:31:51 +0200

Mario Vavti

mario@hub.somaton.com

In Hubzilla if you delete the toplevel, all its descendants will be deleted too...

Piture URL Issue

Mon, 18 Sep 2023 03:30:59 +0200

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orient wrote the following post Mon, 18 Sep 2023 03:30:58 +0200

Piture URL Issue

Hello! I think Hubzilla is of of the coolest software ideas of all time and I just got a server up and running. But I am having a problem with pictures. I can upload them and they go to /store/<channel>/UUID or /store/<channel>/<folder UUID>/UUID location without the file extension. When the server later tries to acces them it adds the extension (.jpg,.png, etc) which makes them an unreachable URL. Is there any idea how I clear this issue? The pictures are uploaded fine and can be referenced if you take the file extension off the URL.

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Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:39:44 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

It is not obvious what the URL of the image is.

If you go to photos, and click on the image, it displays a page with the image on it. If you right-click on the image and open the image in a new tab, you will see the actual URL with does have an extension.

For example:

The page that shows my avatar is located at:
https://biztechtonics.net/photos/scott/image/13e9c94e-9365-49c7-9ed9-efbcfe3c6bd2

But the actual URL to the image itself is:
https://biztechtonics.net/photo/13e9c94e-9365-49c7-9ed9-efbcfe3c6bd2-1.png

Mon, 18 Sep 2023 18:53:39 +0200 last edited: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 18:55:12 +0200

_jayrope

jrp@hub.kliklak.net

Sounds like your uploaded pictures don't have permission to be viewed publicly. Unless you can't even view them yourself. Is that so? Who cannot view your images? If it is only others, then go to /photos/UUID and edit their permissions. Note, that you can already set permissions to public (or apprved conenctions etc.) upon upload.

Tue, 19 Sep 2023 17:42:37 +0200

orient

orient@hub.teammag.org

Thanks, I think it was the public issue. All works correctly now.

Hiding/defederating site's directory and public posts, and local-only posting like Mastodon fork 'Hometown'

Fri, 15 Sep 2023 17:59:22 +0200

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UniVox Admin wrote the following post Fri, 15 Sep 2023 17:59:21 +0200

Hiding/defederating site's directory and public posts, and local-only posting like Mastodon fork 'Hometown'

Goals:
not immediately federated/ need-to-know-basis/ non-Public (big P)
1. post content which is available to anyone visiting your site, logged-in or not, but which doesn't appear in other public streams.
2. keep your local directory unfederated. People on other servers can still follow your accounts if they know the address. The directory can still be viewable by non-logged-in users.
local-only / non-public (little p)
3. post content viewable by all and only people logged-in on your server.

Is there an existing feature for making some content public with a little p: unlisted for people off your server, i.e. you need the link if you're not discovering it on the original site.

After setting up a few sample public posts and public channels, I didn't realise how well they would actually federate! So I could see my site's public channels on other site's directory. It was quite cool to see, but actually these channels are only useful/relevant for the people accessing my site. I've kept them public because I don't want people to need to sign-in, but equally they shouldn't be Public (with a big P, as in discoverable searchable to random users online). I know this is quite anti-federation, but since every user on my site will know each other, and be actively directed to it, I don't need anything to be searchable or Publically listed/discoverable. These are all useful features for communities all based on one hub.

I wasn't sure if this was an existing feature. I don't think you can edit posts to be unlisted like this. The permission settings don't seem to have an option.

Local-only (non-public) posting: I suppose I can make a 'privacy group' which everyone on my server is automatically added to. But privacy groups are channel-specific, so you'd also have to copy this privacy group to everyone's channel.
hometown (a Mastodon fork) has local-only posting as its hallmark (singular?) feature.

These goals aren't really an issue of security (except local-only posting) but privacy.

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Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:49:39 +0200

hubzillar

hubzillar@tiksi.net

> doesn't appear in other public streams

How do you want to identify "other public"?

> keep your local directory unfederated. ... The directory can still be viewable by non-logged-in users.

Instructions could be written to advise users that their default account will be visible, but they have to create subsequent channels, profiles which are private by default

Otherwise, hubzilla hub server 'administration', 'security', 'block public' option

> post content viewable by all and only people logged-in on your server.

> Local-only (non-public) posting:

Perhaps combinations of the options:

Allowed email domains
Comma separated list of domains which are allowed in email addresses for registrations to this site. Wildcards are accepted. Empty to allow any domains
Not allowed email domains
Comma separated list of domains which are not allowed in email addresses for registrations to this site. Wildcards are accepted. Empty to allow any domains, unless allowed domains have been defined.
Allow communications only from these sites

One site per line. Leave empty to allow communication from anywhere by default

Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:35:49 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

There is actually a feature in Hubzilla that allows you to create your own directory (realm). That way only your users show up on the directory on your website.

I don't have time to go into detail right now, but that is the functionality that you are probably looking for.

As far as federation, basically public is public, and private is private. Set up users with "personal" channels instead of "public" so that their posts only appear to their connections (friends) unless they explicitly make it public.

As far as federation goes, only people who follow someone will see their posts. If it is a one way connection (follow), they can only see public posts, if it is a two way connection, they can see private posts (to the default friends group). So you can still allow federation and have privacy.

And it should be noted, that anything public, is public, federated or not. It can be copied, a screenshot can be taken, it can be indexed by search engines, can be crawled by bots, etc. So it is best to instruct users that if they don't want someone to see something (an ex, an employer, a professor, etc.), don't post it publicly.

Sun, 17 Sep 2023 00:50:47 +0200

Grouchy

grouchy@hub.grouchysysadmin.com

@Scott M. Stolz

And it should be noted, that anything public, is public, federated or not. It can be copied, a screenshot can be taken, it can be indexed by search engines, can be crawled by bots, etc. So it is best to instruct users that if they don't want someone to see something (an ex, an employer, a professor, etc.), don't post it publicly.

^^^ That bears repeating

Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:54:36 +0200

hubzillar

hubzillar@tiksi.net

This same is true for private, in reality.
True privacy does not use digital technology

Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:34:53 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

As far as the directory goes, you would need to do two things to have your own directory:

Create a primary directory server (which can be your hub).
Give your directory its own realm.

https://biztechtonics.net/help/en/directories

The benefit of having your own realm is that other colleges or departments at your university could start their own Hubzilla hubs, and share the same university directory (realm).

How to add emojis?

Thu, 14 Sep 2023 19:06:36 +0200

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Anmol wrote the following post Thu, 14 Sep 2023 19:06:28 +0200

How to add emojis?

Hi,
How can I add emojis on my Hubzilla instance?
Something like this would be good. https://fedimoji.tela.moe/misskey.io

I want to add the emojis along side my name, but its not showing up there.
Moreover, do we have anything to filter them?

Sat, 16 Sep 2023 00:30:55 +0200

_jayrope

jrp@hub.kliklak.net

Q: Restricting Channel Addresses/nicknames in Registration

Thu, 14 Sep 2023 00:33:07 +0200

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UniVox Admin wrote the following post Thu, 14 Sep 2023 00:33:07 +0200

Q: Restricting Channel Addresses/nicknames in Registration

I hoped I could get some help with adding a feature to the registration process, or finding the feature if it already exists somewhere...

Goal 1: restrict/require new channel addresses to be the same as the prefix/local-part of the account's email
Basically the the vast majority of users on my server will have the same email format: firstname.lastname@...
For standardisation across the site it would be great if everyone's channel had this same format as their address/nickname.
Implementation: This could either be clear on the registration page, with the nickname immutably fixed to the prefix of the email given (with a notice to contact the admin if they want it changed otherwise), or simply remove the nickname input box and copy it across in the background.

Less-important Goal 2: auto-fill server-allowed email(s) during registration
As almost everyone will have the same email domain too, it would be good to have the option to have the domain already filled in (immutably). So you just fill in your email prefix, which will also serve as your channel address.
(I've already restricted registrations to this 1 allowed domain) If this would become a Hubzilla feature used by others, then if there are multiple allowed domains, then maybe some dropdown box for the possible options would be useful too, for making clear what domains are allowed/making registration quicker.

I'm happy editing the registration window already, but I don't have any clue how to handle the (although basic) js yet, so any help would be great! If this has already been implemented, then even better. Thanks in advance.

(I'm not an expert bc my server is a pretty experimental idea still, I'm not sure how well adopted it will be by the target audience)

This is the code in public_html/view/js/mod_register.js right now...

Click to open/close

    $('#id_email').change(function() {
        tao.zar.form.email = $('#id_email').val();

        if (tao.zar.patema.test(tao.zar.form.email) == false ) {
            $('#help_email').removeClass('text-muted').addClass('text-danger').html(aStr['email_not_valid']);
        } else {
            $.get('register/email_check.json?f=&email=' + encodeURIComponent(tao.zar.form.email), function(data) {
                $('#help_email').removeClass('text-muted').addClass('text-danger').html(data.message);
            });
        }
    });

    $('#id_nickname').blur(function() {
        if($('#id_name').val() == '')
            return;

        $('#nick-spinner').fadeIn();
        $('#nick-hub').fadeOut();
        var zreg_nick = $('#id_nickname').val();
        $.get('new_channel/checkaddr.json?f=&nick=' + encodeURIComponent(zreg_nick),function(data) {
            $('#id_nickname').val(data);
            if(data.error) {
                $('#help_nickname').html('');
                zFormError('#help_nickname',data.error);
            }
            $('#nick-spinner').fadeOut();
            $('#nick-hub').fadeIn();
        });
    });

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Thu, 14 Sep 2023 05:49:09 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

I'm not a developer, but I do know a little about the themes and templates.

For example, I know that there is a registration form template and that you could override it by using your own theme.

The default code is here: https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core/-/blob/master/view/tpl/register.tpl

You would want to create a theme (or create your own version of an existing one), and then add register.tpl to /view/theme/name-of-your-theme/tpl/

Whatever you put in there is what will show up as the registration page. You can hide fields, add JavaScript, all sorts of things.

If you want to modify how the registration form is processed, a developer would know more about how that works.

Thu, 14 Sep 2023 06:15:21 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

(I'm not an expert bc my server is a pretty experimental idea still, I'm not sure how well adopted it will be by the target audience)

It's all about the theme, really. Hubzilla has great features, but the interface needs to be modified for certain audiences.

I am working on such a theme, but it is not done yet. https://dev.neuhub.org/page/documentation/home

If you tell me what your target audience is, I could try to make my themes configurable so they work for your audience.

Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:13:29 +0200

UniVox Admin

admin@univox.social

Thanks for your reply! I've actually already got Neuhub red-dash on my server, as it seemed like the most stable of the options (highest V number). Do you make all the neuhub themes? I've edited the theme in a pretty careless way so I think my customisations might be hard to copy across to a new theme. Is the Red Tab theme the one you're working on now? Is it more targeted towards customisation?

You can have a look at my server's homepage etc. It's for a college community at a British university (not college as in American college, it's a collegiate university), so if it was fully adopted it would be used by around ~400 people. It would mainly be for notices and announcements, as well as some discussion, like the current Facebook group is.
One goal is to make it easier to use than the current platforms of communication like the FB group and endless Whatsapp threads. I've customised the welcome page to try to achieve that. I saw on your other post, you were talking about the hubzilla homepage. I agree with that and I've already messily changed the default hq template to be more useful for the average user who won't post much. You mentioned that your theme made it easier to change this homepage for logged-in users. I haven't seen that option so I assume you mean red-tab. I considered changing the homepage from hq to pubstream or network to make it even quicker to get to information for the average user.

Tangent about spreading the fediverse through my university/other universities

Click to open/close

I've had a look at register.tpl and then gone to field_input.tpl. I might make a separate custom field_input_nickname.tpl, but for now I just copied and am editing the field_input code in register.tpl. I think I might be able to make what I need this way. However one barrier is the php variables. I don't know where these are defined and it would be great if I could just customise them rather than writing my custom text directly in register.tpl. Can I make a file in my theme which overrides these definitions, without getting rid of all of them?

Thanks so much for your help. I do hope I'm the first of many amateur admins on this page, it means Hubzilla is spreading to the masses! (for better or for worse)

Thu, 14 Sep 2023 14:56:59 +0200

UniVox Admin

admin@univox.social

(Update: I've done goal 1 now)

Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:20:52 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

Yes, I am the author of the Neuhub themes.

I looked at your server's home page and it looks nice. I see you are using Neuhub Red Dash.

Neuhub Red Dash was my first attempt at a theme and now I am working on Red Tab and later Neuhub Tab. So three themes in the works coming up.

Red Tab will actually be the first official release, and then I will go back to Neuhub Red Dash and Neuhub Tab for the next releases.

Neuhub Red Tab and Neuhub Tab would most likely be the most customizable though, since those themes will be designed for content & Community websites. Red Tab would be more appropriate for private hubs (but still will be customizable).

All three themes will have the ability to specify the home page in the release versions. Although it should be noted that if you are logged in as a local user, the root (/) goes to HQ instead of the home page. This is actually useful behavior if you are navigating back to your own hub when visiting another. But that is why I am working to make an explicit link back to the home page that works regardless of whether you are logged in or not. Even when you are logged in, sometimes you still want to go back to the site's home page.

As far as the default page goes, the easiest way to create pages is to use the webpages addon. This allows you to create a page using HTML, BBCode, Markdown, etc. and then you change the home page to point to that.

Since you are using Neuhub Red Dash, and it looks nice on your site, let's collaborate on the ability to customize it. If you need certain customization features, I will see if I can add it to Neuhub Red Dash.

Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:22:00 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

As far as the registration goes, there is an LDAP addon available. If you are tying their Hubzilla login to their existing college or university login and that supports LDAP, that might be a better way to go. I have never used it, but I've heard people suggest it before.

If you do not want to use LDAP, I know there are hooks that you can use to modify the registration form. I am not a developer, so I don't know how those work.

Maybe someone more familiar with it can chime in.

Fri, 15 Sep 2023 17:31:11 +0200

UniVox Admin

admin@univox.social

Thanks for all your work on neuhub! I think they'll definitely make the site more appealing to my users. There are one or two bugs, which I guess is natural before v1. I'll mention them now so I don't forget. 1st is the blank space between the top navbar and the page your on (particularly apparent on mobile; I think it's usually for the breadcrumb for the file your viewing but this doesn't show on mobile anyway). 2nd is the blue post button which gets hidden behind the bottom navbar on mobile, but which is usually in the aside on desktop.

I'd love to get give some recommendations for customisation too though. I'll think of more examples but a big one is loading indicators. Obviously no one likes seeing a buffering icon, but when you try to use the search and nothing happens unless you wait patiently for 10 seconds, it can get confusing. The same goes for opening bigger pages, which can take a while sometimes. This isn't a problem if your browser has a loading bar, but on the mobile (iOS) web app in particular, it often feels like the site has crashed. Being able to add custom apple-touch-icons for the webapp would be handy too! I've done this but had to change boot.php in the site root. Trying to get my head around splash/launch screens too (also relevant to loading) but its ridiculously difficult to do outside of Apple's own development environment I think.

Another thing is selecting what buttons appear in the top and side navbars. I think the side navbar looks really nice on desktop (especially with customised colour) but doesn't show on mobile. In the top navbar, the added hubzilla icon dropdown for sitewide features adds to the confusion, in addition to the hamburger menu (which I can't seem to add anything to). The HQ and Home icons are also too similar and actually get used interchangably. These are all things I could change after hunting for files, but I think maybe it's much quicker to mention them to you. Is it ok if I message you with any other thoughts? I might have student-specific stuff too.

I managed to get what I wanted with the sign-in. SSO at my institution is painfully secure and requires 2FA multiple times a day, so I think people will be happier with it this way. Although if I roll out a uniwide version this would be handy for new users.
If anyone wants the code message me, although it's not very complex I just have never used php/js before. I had to edit the hubzilla core register.js too, since the nickname was set to change to the first word of whatever you put in the 'name' field, and also since I needed to add the singular allowed domain to the prefix entered in the email box. Otherwise I edited a mod_register.tpl copied into my theme folder to update the channel nickname with the email prefix, made it readonly etc. I had to copy the code directly from form_input.tpl because I didn't know where the $variables defining input field HTML attributes are set out.

Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:25:10 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

Thanks for your kind comments.

Neuhub Red Dash is not mobile-ready yet, which is why it is so awkward to use on mobile.

Neuhub Tab works better on mobile, especially since I figured out a better way to handle mobile navigation. But that is not done yet either. Neuhub Tab also utilizes the starred and pinned apps functionality, so users can change which apps appears in their own personal nav bar.

Red Tab and Neuhub Tab will be the first ones I release.

Note that I plan on making some major changes, so don't expect the final product to look like it does now.

I'll be publishing more major changes next week.

tiksi ecmascript failure spam security weakness

Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:25:20 +0200 last edited: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:32:27 +0200

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hubzillar wrote the following post Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:25:18 +0200

tiksi ecmascript failure spam security weakness

Tiksi.net hubzilla hub server now requires ecmascript from 'ebooksgratuits.com', which is:

Server IP:
Reverse DNS (PTR)    server368.snel.com
AS number    AS62370
AS name (ISP)    Snel.com B.V.
IP-range/subnet    78.41.200.0/21
Network tools
Location    Netherlands (NL)

Hosting
Number of domains hosted    865
Domain    DomainRank
blogsot.com    36
learnaoe.com    32
mauthner-gesellschaft.de    32
kitami.tv    23
blogsopot.com    23
DNSBL
IP address is listed.
DNSBL    Status    DNSBL    Status
dnsbl.spfbl.net    Listed     access.redhawk.org    OK
b.barracudacentral.org    OK     bl.spamcop.net    OK
blacklist.sci.kun.nl    OK     bogons.cymru.com    OK
cbl.abuseat.org    OK     db.wpbl.info    OK
dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net    OK     dnsbl-2.uceprotect.net    OK
dnsbl-3.uceprotect.net    OK     dnsbl.dronebl.org    OK
dnsbl.sorbs.net    OK     dyna.spamrats.com    OK
http.dnsbl.sorbs.net    OK     ips.backscatterer.org    OK
korea.services.net    OK     pbl.spamhaus.org    OK
psbl.surriel.com    OK     sbl.spamhaus.org    OK
smtp.dnsbl.sorbs.net    OK     spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net    OK
spam.spamrats.com    OK     recent.spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net    OK
xbl.spamhaus.org    OK     zen.spamhaus.org    OK
Whois
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% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
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% See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf

% Note: this output has been filtered.
% To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.

% Information related to '78.41.204.34 - 78.41.204.34'

% Abuse contact for '78.41.204.34 - 78.41.204.34' is 'report@abuse.bz'

inetnum: 78.41.204.34 - 78.41.204.34
netname: NL-SNEL
descr: IP Range Snel.com
country: NL
admin-c: SNEL3125
tech-c: SNEL3125
remarks: **********************************************************************************************************************************
remarks:
remarks: Please send all complaints and abuse issues to report@abuse.bz
remarks:
remarks: **********************************************************************************************************************************
remarks:
remarks: To have your report handled as quickly as possible, please:
remarks: - Mention the IP address(es) in question.
remarks: - Please communicate entirely in English.
remarks: - If your report is about a domain name, please resolve them and mention their IP address.
remarks: - Include any evidence and log files with times, timezone and date.
remarks: - Do not attach any files, put them in the body of the e-mail instead.
remarks: - Please send multiple e-mails if you want to report multiple IPs, mention only one IP address per e-mail.
remarks:
remarks: Not following these steps might slow down or even prevent your abuse report from being processed.
remarks:
remarks: **********************************************************************************************************************************
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status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: SNEL-MNT
created: 2012-02-17T14:22:50Z
last-modified: 2014-08-09T05:43:21Z
source: RIPE

role: Snel.com B.V. NOC
address: Schuttevaerweg 101
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What does "Home" mean in Hubzilla?

Tue, 12 Sep 2023 07:00:06 +0200

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Scott M. Stolz wrote the following post Tue, 12 Sep 2023 06:59:59 +0200

What does "Home" mean in Hubzilla?

As most of you know, I am creating new themes, and my themes are designed to enable the creation of content & community websites in addition to providing a new look to non-content Hubzilla hubs. But there is the sticky issue of what "home" means, with different people having different opinions on this. I wanted to hear from a variety of people on the topic.

Here is how Hubzilla works now:
1. If you are logged in, the root of the website "/" goes to HQ.
2. If you are not logged in, the root of the website is configurable by the admin.
3. If you are remotely logged into another hub, "take me home" returns you back to your HQ on your hub.
4. Hubzilla does not have a link called "home."

On traditional websites:
1. "Home" means the root "/" of the website, and typically points to the main content of that website.

In my themes:
2. The "Home" link is configurable by the admin, and can point to a specific page, or behave the same as root "/" does in Hubzilla. (It defaults to behaving like Hubzilla root "/" does.)

Since I am building fediverse-enabled content website, my themes give you the option of pointing "home" to any content you want, which on my websites, would be the main content of the website. The same content that you would get if you were not logged into Hubzilla and went to the root "/" of the hub.

I have gotten some feedback that using "home" in this manner is confusing to Hubzilla users, since they expect it to behave similarly to "take me home" and send them to HQ.

Is using "home" to mean the main content of the website/hub confusing to Hubzilla users?

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Tue, 12 Sep 2023 07:13:24 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

It should be noted that in my themes, currently root and home can be different. It is configurable by the admin.

So the root could still take you to HQ if you are logged in, but the link labelled "home" could be configured to take you to the main content of the website instead of root.

Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:11:48 +0200

Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

It's rather a case of Redbasic being a complete incoherent mess. I think all work that has been done on it in years was to keep it compatible so Hubzilla had one working theme at least.

I'm wondering if people actually see Redbasic's behaviour as something that deserves being a standard.

Tue, 12 Sep 2023 12:26:56 +0200 last edited: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 12:32:51 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

I think it is also because Hubzilla makes the user the center focus.

When you log in, it is all about you, your channel, your settings, your posts and conversations. It puts you in a bubble where it is hard to even navigate to other channels on the same server unless you are following them.

I am sure that is by design, but I am building fediverse-enabled websites, not fediverse servers, so that design does not makes sense for content websites, for example.

Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:45:15 +0200

Harald Eilertsen

harald@hub.volse.no

@Scott M. Stolz This is a good question, but I think the answer depends more on the site you're making than the underlying system. From my perspective it seems like you found a good way of allowing the admins to make that decision in your theme, depending on what type of site they want.

Thu, 14 Sep 2023 06:02:22 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@biztechtonics.net

That is the challenge with creating a theme that can be used in multiple ways.

All my websites will be content websites, community websites, or both. But I have to keep in mind that some people will just use Hubzilla as a fediverse server only.

Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:50:06 +0200

Randal (Hubzilla)

randal@social.talesofmy.life

@Scott M. Stolz You mean it's not all about ME? I'm heartbroken!!!