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Tue, 26 Jan 2021 08:48:06 +0100

Hans van Zijst wrote the following post Tue, 26 Jan 2021 08:48:05 +0100

Last week @Bryan Lunduke posted a video that was quite negative about the Fediverse. But, as usual, he did raise some valid points. I think his point about the unlimited options for trolling being by design is something to think about.

I may not have searched too well for something that could stop spam/trolls, so maybe you should just ignore this message. I know I'm very good at searching, but pretty lousy at finding... But if not, please read on.

As the possibilities for trolls are endless, the hub admin and especially the users should have some powerful tools at their disposal to protect themselves against it. Lunduke makes it seem as if we're completely defenseless against it, but I think he's wrong there.

Seeing how the Fediverse resembles the world of e-mail, I can imagine we could use similar tactics: filter on domain names (already in Hubzilla, I noticed) or usernames, on status (known contact, recent acquaintance or perfect stranger), keywords to block (bit blunt, but may work for some) all the way up to sophisticated scoring like an RBL, Razor/Pyzor and SpamAssassin. Most of this should, I think, be implemented as a plugin/module, because you'd want to use it on all kinds of systems in the Fediverse.

Is there already something like this that I have missed, or is there work to be done? :)

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Anmol Sharma

Sun, 14 Feb 2021 16:40:24 +0100

The #Zot is so cool. Problem with #AP is this #Peertube =>#video, #Funkwhale => #Music, #PixelFed =>Images and videos, #Writefreely => #Blogs, #Plume=>Blogs, #Nextcloud , #Wordpress , #Mobilizon (I was surprised for just events, so heavy platform)=> #Events, #Lemmy => #Forum, #Ree2bits => #Podcasts.
One feels at home whatever Zot platform one uses Zap, #Hubzilla, #Redmatirx, etc. The Zot protocol do all of the above things in every of the Zot platforms.
Practically if I have categories to separate all the above content, why would I go to Pixelfed for pictures, Writefreely for blogs or Mobilizon for events?
Most of the people want to write fast and comment. Strategy used by limiting words, followers and following crap which makes a selling point for AP.
A #spammer would any day love to be on AP rather than Zot where he/she finds more people for his/her spam. On the other hand Zot does exactly opposite giving much more security features, thus focusing on the quality rather then quantity.

Witcraft (inactive)

Sun, 14 Feb 2021 17:41:14 +0100

I completely agree - I think Hubzilla is the one application making true what the Fediverse promises, utilizing all the interactions for whatever content.

What you write is a good explanation why it is not in wider use - This would actually a be a positive filter...

kris

Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:24:57 +0100

The difference is the interface. Pixelfed has a polish interface. Pleroma/soapbox is very user friendly compared to hubzilla / zot much more fluid. Peertube has a p2p plus etc... each plateforme has advantage.

Hubzilla is like a all in one. But I must be honest to tell you that it is less fluid and harder to use. I don't talk about the protocole but only the user side.

Zap for Yunohost

Anmol Sharma

Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:19:17 +0100

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#Zap for #Yunohost has been updated to latest version 2020-11-11.

https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/zap_ynh

Zap (Zot6 protocol based) is a #decentralized #social #network supporting #Mastodon , #Pleroma , #Pixelfed , #PeerTube, #Funkwhale , #Friendica , #Hubzilla , and many more.

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DanE

Cato Neimoidia, Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:30:06 +0100

Awesome! Thanks. I am one of your users of hubzilla on yunohost. Thank you for all your efforts!

LPS

Sat, 14 Nov 2020 06:45:24 +0100 from ActivityPub

@anmol @support This is great news. Does anyone know if Friendica is still getting updates on Yunohost?

I've been test-driving the 2 different applications and I actually feel that Friendica has improved a lot and is actually more user friendly.

DanE

Iego, Sat, 14 Nov 2020 07:54:12 +0100

@LPS
Actually @Anmol Sharma I think is doing loads of the updates for lots of yunohost apps. I think he has been providing updates for hubzilla, zap, friendica, and many others. It just takes a while for him to get around to keeping them all up to date, but he usually does. A big thanks to @Anmol Sharma for working to make it easy on the rest of us.

LPS

Sat, 14 Nov 2020 16:50:49 +0100 from ActivityPub

@mike
I am semi-familiar with the history, and that's incredible:)

After I posted, I thought it may be taken as an insult by you to compare them. This was not my intention:(

Thank you for these gifts to the world!
@anmol

Anmol Sharma

Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:44:46 +0100

#Hubzilla package for #Yunohost has been updated to version 5.0.1

https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/hubzilla_ynh

Anmol Sharma

Sat, 14 Nov 2020 19:16:19 +0100

@LPS
Goal is to provide the easy installation of #decentralize #platforms, so users who are migrating from other platform can test these platforms and settle for one.

Why not use #git?
Yunohost don't use that philosophy. When many people decide something, you actually can't go against them. Personally I have experimented to provide git benefit for update app. Every time you hit update it would run normal procedure to update an app from git. But this has not worked because of various reasons. Sometime user will run the update too often, other time new version will require a particular version specific things to be done like in Hubzilla version 5.0.0 its required to run php util/z6convert.php after update.
One major benefit is the backup on each update. Every few months a new #update is expected. With each update a backup is made for the app. This has great advantage because if something went bad you can get back to previous backup by restoring it. As users are not bots and by nature they will not backup every time they update an app, which can lead to losing of stuff if some thing bad happen while update. I recently lost my #hub like this and lost my two years posts. The last backup I did was two year ago.
Other advantage is few checks which keep the installation and update process safe. Checks like #php version check, keeping #logs file at proper place, #fail2ban and #ldap support.

Anmol Sharma

Sat, 14 Nov 2020 19:23:24 +0100

@LPS
#Friendica has a #PR with latest release but the ldap is broken with latest update. Till its not fixed, it can't be merged.
See this and this.

If you want to try #Friendica without #Ldap support you can try this branch.
https://github.com/SpencerDub/friendica_ynh

muppeth

Tue, 24 Dec 2019 14:36:47 +0100

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Is there a way to embed peertube video on hubzilla?

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Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:02:11 +0100

It's a little tricky because it's not one domain, like YouTube. Firstly, you have to allow domains from /admin/security.
And then, if I'm not mistaken, that will only allow the embeds for users on your own hub. Everybody else will just get links with no pictures in their stream. That's why I stopped embedding anything, since I don't know what everybody else will see.

Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:19:53 +0100

I just made a quick demo with my demo channel using YouTube. The demo channel's name is Betty Allgood (please don't connect to it, I'm only using it to create screenshots for howtos.) Betty is connected to this channel (Tanja.)

Here's what the YouTube embed looks like on Betty's channel, even for users who are not logged in:
YouTube embed.

There's a little preview, and when you click on that, you get the video to play within the Hubzilla post.

This is what it will look like on every hub that allows unfiltered embeds from YouTube, which I only just turned for this specific purpose. Now, the domain where Betty's channel is located is my secondary hub. On my primary one, where this channel's primary location is, I'm not allowing unfiltered embeds from anywhere, so all I get in my (Tanja's) stream, is this:

There's not even a preview image.

Now, this is YouTube, but PeerTube is the same way. I already had that set up for @Alan Graham Music, but then I noticed how the posts looked in my stream and I dumped the whole thing. I'm now attaching links again, which at least will show a preview.

muppeth

Wed, 25 Dec 2019 12:34:53 +0100

Thanks. Though it laso means that this will change from server to server. Whixh means every server would have to have that particular instance whitelisted to see embeded video.

Wed, 25 Dec 2019 12:47:06 +0100

@muppeth Exactly.

muppeth

Wed, 25 Dec 2019 12:52:25 +0100

I should check how hubzilla will deal with the video being uploaded directly to hubzilla. Hubzilla does have built in player right?

Wed, 25 Dec 2019 14:04:45 +0100

@muppeth Yes, it does. If you want video previews, you have to have ffmpeg installed on your server, and you have to upload through the web interface (not WebDAV), so you may need to tweak your PHP settings as well.

poVoq

Fri, 27 Dec 2019 17:28:06 +0100

https://github.com/dfstorm/wtplayer

muppeth

Fri, 27 Dec 2019 22:36:54 +0100 last edited: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 22:37:11 +0100

@poVoq This looks cool but I fear it could easily turn into piracy minded practice which can bring a lot of issues and ton of spammers and other things you do not want to have your 'home' open to.

poVoq

Fri, 27 Dec 2019 23:31:05 +0100

@muppeth it is the same with peertube though. But I agree, video hosting is a bit risky.

muppeth

Sat, 28 Dec 2019 00:42:58 +0100

@poVoq With peertube, someone needs to upload a video first so you can have bigger control over it. Here if I understand correctly, one can start posting magnet links to stuff already on torrent and I find this quite risky.

emaxmax

Mon, 30 Dec 2019 10:35:54 +0100

@Mike Macgirvin: #peertube activities never showned up in my #Hubzilla stream (where they do in #Friendica). Can someone confirm that it works for him (and explain the config)?

emaxmax

Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:51:32 +0100

I can now follow #peertube channels from #hubzilla. I guess it's fixed.

kris

Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:21:44 +0200

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Did someone successed to follow a peertube account ?
I wanted to follow Arthure @art@peertube.mastodon.host but when I add it at the contact, I have no message but nothing to tell me there is a problem.

#peertube