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Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:48:56 +0200

Witcraft wrote the following post Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:48:55 +0200

Differing permissions between stream and source

Often, I receive posts in my stream which is displayed with no option of interaction: I cannot comment, I cannot like, I cannot add emoticons to the post, e.g. current announcement of @Mario Vavti Vavti about RC5.6. But when I go to the source ("View in context"), I can not only view the post on Mario's channel home - I obviously actually do have permission to like and add emoticons (I cannot comment, but this is obviously caused by intentional permissions configuration).

I would be very thankful if someone could enlighten me as to why the permissions are different when displayed as part of my own stream vs. when I view it on the channel home of the poster - Is this a bug, a feature, or some side effect of an intentional concept I have not yet fully managed to grasp...?

Hubzilla permissions stream

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Mario Vavti

Thu, 29 Apr 2021 22:33:32 +0200

It does not look like we are connected. I wonder why my post is in your timeline...

Witcraft (inactive)

Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:58:34 +0200

Maybe it was a public post?

Witcraft (inactive)

Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:18:03 +0200 last edited: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:18:28 +0200

Actually, I just noticed today that I can even comment your post... (not in my stream, but in your channel home)

Mario Vavti

Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:30:24 +0200

Due to my settings anyone can comment on my posts at my channel. Yes, the post is public still, it is not expected to be in your network stream if we are not connected. Have you possibly imported it manually?

Witcraft (inactive)

Sat, 01 May 2021 00:06:01 +0200

It just did not seem to make sense when I started here to go by limits - if there is hardly anyone within them. So I configured my channel to receive the global public stream for the start (rather doing the limiting by blocks and filters). The way I understood it, this should bring globally public posts to my attention.

Papa Dragon

Sat, 01 May 2021 02:23:01 +0200

In Zap, there is a setting which allows the channel to "import public third-party conversations in which your connections participate". The setting itself is labeled "Friend-of-friend conversations". I think it is enabled by default. Maybe that kind of import happens in Hubzilla without an option to disable it? That would explain why @Witcraft saw @Mario Vavti's post on his Public Stream.

Anyhow, a few days ago I had a problem in Zap which was very similar to the one you describe, @Witcraft. A fix was quickly provided by @mike, maybe it could also be applied to Hubzilla if it actually is the same issue.

(P.S. There's no need to read the full thread of the link above, you can stop after the second comment, as the "problem" I describe after that wasn't an actual one)

Mario Vavti

Sat, 01 May 2021 08:20:45 +0200

@Witcraft you are using custom/expert mode?

Witcraft (inactive)

Sat, 01 May 2021 09:18:41 +0200

@Mario Vavti yes, custom mode, allow everyone authenticated to send posts.

@Papa Dragon sounds somewhat similar, except I do not see a comment field (or other elements of interaction) in my stream, and therefore, there is no error message.

Witcraft (inactive)

Tue, 04 May 2021 23:35:39 +0200

@Papa Dragon I could not find the friend-of-a-friend option in Hubzilla.
@Mario Vavti However, I understand why I saw your post - What I do not understand is that I can comment it here, but not from my stream or "view in context"...

And I noticed another strange thing: When I am on @Mario Vavti 's channel and click "bring me back to home", I am redirected to my secondary clone on a secondary hub... I checked, and on both hubs, this here is my primary channel. However, I cloned the secondary from the first via network (not JSON import), and it seems they have different hashs. Could it be that for some reason, my channel on my primary hub is considered as "forged" by Marios hub and therefore cannot post in context (whereas it is handled differently when I am on Mario's channel home)? At least, Marios hub seems to know my secondary hub better than my primary hub...

Webpage and Articl App - Permissions

RockyIII

Sun, 06 Oct 2019 23:36:16 +0200 last edited: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 10:33:07 +0200

testing the Webpage and Articl App -
I want that selected contacts have the right to publish Articles and Webpages on my channel…
so where ever i could I set a check mark in the Individual Permissions for this contacts … so they should have any permission I can grant in HZ.
Now if this contacts try to publish Articles and Webpages on my channel they have not the ability to set the permissions for this Articles and Webpages – this are automatic set to „Friends“ - even I as admin can´t edit this permissions
Is this the way it is supposed to work or is the configuration of my canal not right?

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Permissions

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Alexandre Hannud Abdo

Mon, 07 Oct 2019 01:59:16 +0200 last edited: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 01:58:10 +0200

Also, I see two non-exclusive ways to sanely improve contact's permissions that may solve your problem :

1. let contacts propose items instead of immediately posting them, and have the channel owner set appropriate permissions when approving those.

2. let the channel owner set different default permissions for specific contacts.

I guess both could be implemented as add-ons.

RockyIII

Mon, 07 Oct 2019 06:59:32 +0200 last edited: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 10:34:04 +0200

@Mike Macgirvin Thanks a lot for your explanations

Your friends can only post to your channel default audience

this says it all.
I was expacting that i would work different from that, that’s way I check-in all options after trying some time just selected ones.
So I did what I never did before and check also „Can administer my channel“ and noticed no difference. What actually does this setting? I have not fount out yet.

Actually i´m testing the case how I could share the administration of a channel with two contacts

thanks @Alexandre Hannud Abdo for your ideas… yea - this could be an good way to do things…

RockyIII

Mon, 07 Oct 2019 08:38:55 +0200 last edited: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 10:34:39 +0200

OK found it
if you have the permissions „Can administer my channel“
you will see in the "Channel Manager" - this canal as "Delegated Channel"
if you choose than this channel it´s like as it would be yours...
VERY FINE

Permissions table - Feedback

meaz

Wed, 09 May 2018 14:36:33 +0200

Hi !Hubzilla Support Forum

I created a permissions table to help !Disroot Community users. I've read the help page and ahve spend a long time testing each permission for each channel role.
I would love to have some feedback, to see if I didn't do any mistakes or if you have idea to improve this work.

Thanks a lot

permissions

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meaz

Wed, 09 May 2018 16:56:56 +0200

thanks for the feedback and for the link. I'll modify that.

Fede.-

Wed, 09 May 2018 17:05:19 +0200

Good tip.

kris

Thu, 10 May 2018 12:34:25 +0200

Very good explaination. That help me to understand the new role federation that I did not understand before.

Federation can receive private message and comment from all not only from my conection list.

kris

Thu, 10 May 2018 12:35:16 +0200

Do you have this table in other format ? This is only a picture.

meaz

Thu, 10 May 2018 19:30:15 +0200

kris and Haakon: When I'm completely done, I will share it in a more open format. I actually did that on ethercal so I can get it in .csv, in html or in excel (ethercal doesn't export in .ods for some reason)

Fede.-

Thu, 10 May 2018 19:41:13 +0200

I have it in .ods, @meaz
Let me know if you wanted and I send it.

lightone

Sun, 13 May 2018 00:43:11 +0200

@meaz Very helpful cheatsheet, thank you! I'd like to link to this image (or html page if it appears) on a website. So I'm very interested in a link that will not break in the future. Can I safely use the link to this image? Or, perhaps, will you consider creating a git repo somewhere? Then you could continue updating the files and still not change file name / path, so they're always accessible.

meaz

Sun, 13 May 2018 08:41:40 +0200

@lightone You can download the image and add it here somewhere you're sure it won't be deleted if you want.
As soon as I have more time, I'll convert it to markdown and add it on gitlab.

Alimentazione e quello che sta intorno

Sun, 13 May 2018 10:44:24 +0200

@lightone

Then you could continue updating the files and still not change file name / path, so they're always accessible.

To do this, I think it could be convenient on Hubzilla to publish it as an Article :

It is a good format for important content to endure over time
You can create by yourself an easy to record and short url for it, suitable for easy sharing
Modifying/updating the content doesn't alter the url

lightone

Sun, 13 May 2018 15:58:45 +0200

@meaz I saved the image, but thought it would be nicer to link to your repo/hub, since you're the author :) I'll upload the image directly to website for now, and later change for the link to your GitLab repo. Thanks!

meaz

Sun, 13 May 2018 17:32:20 +0200

I'm actually creating howto for dishub, so that we'll probably there soon.

adinfinitum

Thu, 21 Jun 2018 22:29:28 +0200